The Tiresome Obamas - From Martha's Vineyard with scorn.

[Ubiquitous]

Whatever happens on Nov. 5, one silver lining of the end of election season
is that Americans will likely soon enjoy at least a brief respite from self-
righteous, inaccurate and arrogant lectures from the Obama family. Recently
former President Barack Obama jetted into Pennsylvania to insult voters who
aren’t supporting Vice President Kamala Harris. On Saturday it was former
First Lady Michelle Obama’s turn. In Kalamazoo, Mich., she exhibited the
charming family habit of treating people who don’t share their politics as
either ignorant or morally compromised.

As is now Democratic custom, Mrs. Obama didn’t spend much time trying to make
the case that Ms. Harris has earned a promotion. What can one say? Instead
the former first lady offered an angry harangue against Donald Trump as if
he’s the incumbent presiding over an era of inflation and disorder. Mrs.
Obama echoed her husband’s bizarre gripe from last week that as president Mr.
Trump didn’t look to Mr. Obama for guidance on dealing with pandemics. To her
credit Mrs. Obama seems to have learned from her husband’s mistake and so she
avoided presenting Canada’s liberty-crushing lockdowns as some sort of model
of Covid-era excellence.

Much of the speech was devoted to forecasting a dark future now that voters
rather than unelected judges are allowed to decide some social policies. As
with any issue where the Obamas have staked out a position, no well-informed
and sincere objections are tolerated. Even on the issue of abortion, where
millions of Americans have a deep conviction that it’s wrong, such people are
simply cast as unaware of the implications of their beliefs or callous
opponents of women in the Obamaverse of progressive discourse.

Mrs. Obama’s Saturday rant included the claim that if elected again, Donald
Trump “could take actions that effectively ban abortion nationwide.” She said
this even though by now she must know that Mr. Trump has repeatedly expressed
his opposition to a nationwide abortion ban and has said that the voters in
each state should set their own abortion policies.

The absurd premise of Mrs. Obama’s remarks was that in post-Roe v. Wade
America, where abortion policy is no longer dictated by the federal courts
but instead left to up to the people, basic health care for women will
essentially collapse as women are no longer able to find gynecologists.

Much of the speech was presented as a lecture to the men in the audience, who
were treated as insensitive beasts who don’t care enough or haven’t
considered the needs of the women in their lives, and also deserve no say in
the policies affecting them. Said Mrs. Obama in a speech excerpt published in
the New York Times and described by Times headline writers as a “searing
appeal to men”:

I am asking you, from the core of my being, to take our lives seriously.
Please do not put our lives in the hands of politicians, mostly men,
who have no clue or do not care about what we as women are going
through, who don’t fully grasp the broad-reaching health implications
that their misguided policies will have on our health outcomes.

The only people who have standing to make these decisions are women
with the advice of their doctors. We are the ones with the knowledge
and experience to know what we need.

So please, please do not hand our fates over to the likes of Trump,
who knows nothing about us, who has shown a deep contempt for us.
Because a vote for him is a vote against us, against our health,
against our worth.

To say that voting for a particular candidate in a tight election means the
voter has chosen to vote against half the population appears to be an
effective way to create political polarization, but why would any party want
to celebrate such rhetoric? Here’s the closing in the Times excerpt, in which
Mrs. Obama once again shames men who dare to deviate from her opinion on
abortion:

Let me tell you all to think that the men that we love could be either
unaware or indifferent to our plight is simply heartbreaking. It is a
sad statement about our value as women in this world. It is both a
setback in our quest for equity and a huge blow to our country’s
standing as a world leader on issues of women’s health and gender
equity.

So fellas, before you cast your vote, ask yourselves: What side of
history do you want to be on?

Lest one think that Mrs. Obama only has contempt for men who disagree with
her, she’s even less respectful toward women who don’t share her views on
abortion. Perhaps because her entire argument would fall apart if she
acknowledged their existence, she ignores them. But the truth is that there’s
never been a huge gender gap when it comes to abortion. Most Americans think
that it should be legal but with restrictions, while a small minority favor a
total ban. Gender has less to do with their views than personal beliefs.

For example, the Pew Research Center finds that ideology and political
affiliation are much more predictive of someone’s position on abortion than
gender, where the differences are modest. Overall, Pew reports that 64% of
women think abortion should be legal in most or all cases and so do 61% of
men. Meanwhile 33% of women think it should be illegal in most or all cases
and 38% of men share this view.

Interestingly though, while very few Americans favor a total ban—in which
abortion is illegal in all cases—this position tends to be slightly more
popular among women than men. Pew reports that 9% of women favor a total ban,
compared with just 6% of men who think abortion should always be illegal.

Similarly, Gallup finds that 12% of women favor a total ban, a slightly
higher percentage than the 11% of men who want the practice to be illegal in
all cases.

Obviously one doesn’t expect fair and balanced coverage of issues in a
partisan political speech, but the small minority of women who favor an
abortion ban and the even smaller minority of men who do provide a kind of
political reality check. Even if Mrs. Obama is inclined to attack those who
don’t share her views, she really doesn’t need to direct such vitriol at
people who have no realistic chance of seeing their policy wishes enacted
nationwide. And she shouldn’t be scaring men and women with outrageous claims
about the U.S. health care system.

Gallup does find a bit of a gender gap in that more women than men favor no
restrictions, while more men than women want abortion to be legal but with at
least some restrictions, but the Obama stemwinder wasn’t about nuance or
understanding differences.

The good news is that in just another week or so, there’s a decent chance
Americans will be permitted to enjoy at least a modest vacation from such
nasty rhetoric.

[John Doe]

Post by Ubiquitous
Whatever happens on Nov. 5, one silver lining of the end of election season
is that Americans will likely soon enjoy at least a brief respite from self-
righteous, inaccurate and arrogant lectures from the Obama family. Recently
former President Barack Obama jetted into Pennsylvania to insult voters who
aren’t supporting Vice President Kamala Harris. On Saturday it was former
First Lady Michelle Obama’s turn. In Kalamazoo, Mich., she exhibited the
charming family habit of treating people who don’t share their politics as
either ignorant or morally compromised.
As is now Democratic custom, Mrs. Obama didn’t spend much time trying to make
the case that Ms. Harris has earned a promotion. What can one say? Instead
the former first lady offered an angry harangue against Donald Trump as if
he’s the incumbent presiding over an era of inflation and disorder. Mrs.
Obama echoed her husband’s bizarre gripe from last week that as president Mr.
Trump didn’t look to Mr. Obama for guidance on dealing with pandemics. To her
credit Mrs. Obama seems to have learned from her husband’s mistake and so she
avoided presenting Canada’s liberty-crushing lockdowns as some sort of model
of Covid-era excellence.
Much of the speech was devoted to forecasting a dark future now that voters
rather than unelected judges are allowed to decide some social policies. As
with any issue where the Obamas have staked out a position, no well-informed
and sincere objections are tolerated. Even on the issue of abortion, where
millions of Americans have a deep conviction that it’s wrong, such people are
simply cast as unaware of the implications of their beliefs or callous
opponents of women in the Obamaverse of progressive discourse.
Mrs. Obama’s Saturday rant included the claim that if elected again, Donald
Trump “could take actions that effectively ban abortion nationwide.” She said
this even though by now she must know that Mr. Trump has repeatedly expressed
his opposition to a nationwide abortion ban and has said that the voters in
each state should set their own abortion policies.
The absurd premise of Mrs. Obama’s remarks was that in post-Roe v. Wade
America, where abortion policy is no longer dictated by the federal courts
but instead left to up to the people, basic health care for women will
essentially collapse as women are no longer able to find gynecologists.
Much of the speech was presented as a lecture to the men in the audience, who
were treated as insensitive beasts who don’t care enough or haven’t
considered the needs of the women in their lives, and also deserve no say in
the policies affecting them. Said Mrs. Obama in a speech excerpt published in
the New York Times and described by Times headline writers as a “searing
I am asking you, from the core of my being, to take our lives seriously.
Please do not put our lives in the hands of politicians, mostly men,
who have no clue or do not care about what we as women are going
through, who don’t fully grasp the broad-reaching health implications
that their misguided policies will have on our health outcomes.
The only people who have standing to make these decisions are women
with the advice of their doctors. We are the ones with the knowledge
and experience to know what we need.
So please, please do not hand our fates over to the likes of Trump,
who knows nothing about us, who has shown a deep contempt for us.
Because a vote for him is a vote against us, against our health,
against our worth.
To say that voting for a particular candidate in a tight election means the
voter has chosen to vote against half the population appears to be an
effective way to create political polarization, but why would any party want
to celebrate such rhetoric? Here’s the closing in the Times excerpt, in which
Mrs. Obama once again shames men who dare to deviate from her opinion on
Let me tell you all to think that the men that we love could be either
unaware or indifferent to our plight is simply heartbreaking. It is a
sad statement about our value as women in this world. It is both a
setback in our quest for equity and a huge blow to our country’s
standing as a world leader on issues of women’s health and gender
equity.
So fellas, before you cast your vote, ask yourselves: What side of
history do you want to be on?
Lest one think that Mrs. Obama only has contempt for men who disagree with
her, she’s even less respectful toward women who don’t share her views on
abortion. Perhaps because her entire argument would fall apart if she
acknowledged their existence, she ignores them. But the truth is that there’s
never been a huge gender gap when it comes to abortion. Most Americans think
that it should be legal but with restrictions, while a small minority favor a
total ban. Gender has less to do with their views than personal beliefs.
For example, the Pew Research Center finds that ideology and political
affiliation are much more predictive of someone’s position on abortion than
gender, where the differences are modest. Overall, Pew reports that 64% of
women think abortion should be legal in most or all cases and so do 61% of
men. Meanwhile 33% of women think it should be illegal in most or all cases
and 38% of men share this view.
Interestingly though, while very few Americans favor a total ban—in which
abortion is illegal in all cases—this position tends to be slightly more
popular among women than men. Pew reports that 9% of women favor a total ban,
compared with just 6% of men who think abortion should always be illegal.
Similarly, Gallup finds that 12% of women favor a total ban, a slightly
higher percentage than the 11% of men who want the practice to be illegal in
all cases.
Obviously one doesn’t expect fair and balanced coverage of issues in a
partisan political speech, but the small minority of women who favor an
abortion ban and the even smaller minority of men who do provide a kind of
political reality check. Even if Mrs. Obama is inclined to attack those who
don’t share her views, she really doesn’t need to direct such vitriol at
people who have no realistic chance of seeing their policy wishes enacted
nationwide. And she shouldn’t be scaring men and women with outrageous claims
about the U.S. health care system.
Gallup does find a bit of a gender gap in that more women than men favor no
restrictions, while more men than women want abortion to be legal but with at
least some restrictions, but the Obama stemwinder wasn’t about nuance or
understanding differences.
The good news is that in just another week or so, there’s a decent chance
Americans will be permitted to enjoy at least a modest vacation from such
nasty rhetoric.

Wow. The irony meter just pegged the scale. This sounds just like a
Putin-gram.

Asking voters to protect women's health is a far cry from Trump's
"immigrants are vermin" and all democrats are "evil" and "dangerous" and
"the enemy within".

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-democrats-enemies-within-rcna175628

Fortunately the world is seeing clips from the Trump Party Hate Rally in
MSG where Trump endorsed (by silence) the characterization that, for
instance, Puerto Rico is a floating island of garbage. I'm seen all the
hate I want from a guy who insults our military and virtually every
ethnic group except old white men.

It's only now, a couple of days later, that he's trying to do damage
control and pretend that those hateful comments that got smiles from him
and cheers from the crowd don't represent his movement. But the real
stuff is on tape.

Don't vote for Hate. We're all Americans and we all want the country to
succeed. Don't let Trump divide us.

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Post by John Doe

Post by Ubiquitous
Whatever happens on Nov. 5, one silver lining of the end of election season
is that Americans will likely soon enjoy at least a brief respite from self-
righteous, inaccurate and arrogant lectures from the Obama family. Recently
former President Barack Obama jetted into Pennsylvania to insult voters who
aren?t supporting Vice President Kamala Harris. On Saturday it was former
First Lady Michelle Obama?s turn. In Kalamazoo, Mich., she exhibited the
charming family habit of treating people who don?t share their politics as
either ignorant or morally compromised.
As is now Democratic custom, Mrs. Obama didn?t spend much time trying to make
the case that Ms. Harris has earned a promotion. What can one say? Instead
the former first lady offered an angry harangue against Donald Trump as if
he?s the incumbent presiding over an era of inflation and disorder. Mrs.
Obama echoed her husband?s bizarre gripe from last week that as president Mr.
Trump didn?t look to Mr. Obama for guidance on dealing with pandemics. To her
credit Mrs. Obama seems to have learned from her husband?s mistake and so she
avoided presenting Canada?s liberty-crushing lockdowns as some sort of model
of Covid-era excellence.
Much of the speech was devoted to forecasting a dark future now that voters
rather than unelected judges are allowed to decide some social policies. As
with any issue where the Obamas have staked out a position, no well-informed
and sincere objections are tolerated. Even on the issue of abortion, where
millions of Americans have a deep conviction that it?s wrong, such people are
simply cast as unaware of the implications of their beliefs or callous
opponents of women in the Obamaverse of progressive discourse.
Mrs. Obama?s Saturday rant included the claim that if elected again, Donald
Trump ?could take actions that effectively ban abortion nationwide.? She said
this even though by now she must know that Mr. Trump has repeatedly expressed
his opposition to a nationwide abortion ban and has said that the voters in
each state should set their own abortion policies.
The absurd premise of Mrs. Obama?s remarks was that in post-Roe v. Wade
America, where abortion policy is no longer dictated by the federal courts
but instead left to up to the people, basic health care for women will
essentially collapse as women are no longer able to find gynecologists.
Much of the speech was presented as a lecture to the men in the audience, who
were treated as insensitive beasts who don?t care enough or haven?t
considered the needs of the women in their lives, and also deserve no say in
the policies affecting them. Said Mrs. Obama in a speech excerpt published in
the New York Times and described by Times headline writers as a ?searing
I am asking you, from the core of my being, to take our lives seriously.
Please do not put our lives in the hands of politicians, mostly men,
who have no clue or do not care about what we as women are going
through, who don?t fully grasp the broad-reaching health implications
that their misguided policies will have on our health outcomes.
The only people who have standing to make these decisions are women
with the advice of their doctors. We are the ones with the knowledge
and experience to know what we need.
So please, please do not hand our fates over to the likes of Trump,
who knows nothing about us, who has shown a deep contempt for us.
Because a vote for him is a vote against us, against our health,
against our worth.
To say that voting for a particular candidate in a tight election means the
voter has chosen to vote against half the population appears to be an
effective way to create political polarization, but why would any party want
to celebrate such rhetoric? Here?s the closing in the Times excerpt, in which
Mrs. Obama once again shames men who dare to deviate from her opinion on
Let me tell you all to think that the men that we love could be either
unaware or indifferent to our plight is simply heartbreaking. It is a
sad statement about our value as women in this world. It is both a
setback in our quest for equity and a huge blow to our country?s
standing as a world leader on issues of women?s health and gender
equity.
So fellas, before you cast your vote, ask yourselves: What side of
history do you want to be on?
Lest one think that Mrs. Obama only has contempt for men who disagree with
her, she?s even less respectful toward women who don?t share her views on
abortion. Perhaps because her entire argument would fall apart if she
acknowledged their existence, she ignores them. But the truth is that there?s
never been a huge gender gap when it comes to abortion. Most Americans think
that it should be legal but with restrictions, while a small minority favor a
total ban. Gender has less to do with their views than personal beliefs.
For example, the Pew Research Center finds that ideology and political
affiliation are much more predictive of someone?s position on abortion than
gender, where the differences are modest. Overall, Pew reports that 64% of
women think abortion should be legal in most or all cases and so do 61% of
men. Meanwhile 33% of women think it should be illegal in most or all cases
and 38% of men share this view.
Interestingly though, while very few Americans favor a total ban?in which
abortion is illegal in all cases?this position tends to be slightly more
popular among women than men. Pew reports that 9% of women favor a total ban,
compared with just 6% of men who think abortion should always be illegal.
Similarly, Gallup finds that 12% of women favor a total ban, a slightly
higher percentage than the 11% of men who want the practice to be illegal in
all cases.
Obviously one doesn?t expect fair and balanced coverage of issues in a
partisan political speech, but the small minority of women who favor an
abortion ban and the even smaller minority of men who do provide a kind of
political reality check. Even if Mrs. Obama is inclined to attack those who
don?t share her views, she really doesn?t need to direct such vitriol at
people who have no realistic chance of seeing their policy wishes enacted
nationwide. And she shouldn?t be scaring men and women with outrageous claims
about the U.S. health care system.
Gallup does find a bit of a gender gap in that more women than men favor no
restrictions, while more men than women want abortion to be legal but with at
least some restrictions, but the Obama stemwinder wasn?t about nuance or
understanding differences.
The good news is that in just another week or so, there?s a decent chance
Americans will be permitted to enjoy at least a modest vacation from such
nasty rhetoric.

Wow. The irony meter just pegged the scale. This sounds just like a
Putin-gram.
Asking voters to protect women's health is a far cry from Trump's
"immigrants are vermin" and all democrats are "evil" and "dangerous" and
"the enemy within".
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-democrats-enemies-within-rcna175628
Fortunately the world is seeing clips from the Trump Party Hate Rally in
MSG where Trump endorsed (by silence) the characterization that, for
instance, Puerto Rico is a floating island of garbage. I'm seen all the
hate I want from a guy who insults our military and virtually every
ethnic group except old white men.
It's only now, a couple of days later, that he's trying to do damage
control and pretend that those hateful comments that got smiles from him
and cheers from the crowd don't represent his movement. But the real
stuff is on tape.
Don't vote for Hate. We're all Americans and we all want the country to
succeed. Don't let Trump divide us.

YOU choose to divide.